Quote Originally Posted by jbone View Post
A high FIP? Are we looking at the same numbers?

Last year was his worst year as a pro and his FIP/xFIP were still 3.91/3.84. League averages were 4.15/4.15.

For his career, ERA of 3.91, FIP of 3.62 and xFIP of 3.48.

I'm not disagreeing that he's not an ace, but I do think that his elite GB rate and ability to keep guys off balance with different deliveries makes him a solid 2 or a high end 3.
I should reword. Not a high FIP overall, but a high FIP if he's considered an ace. My bad there.